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Old 08-23-2007
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Hi Everyone,

Looking for everyone's opinion on signing up with a temporary agency or even one of the sites that you pay to join and get leads from....are they worth it? There are many sites like this out there but here are just a few examples of what I'm referring to:
http://www.teleworkrecruiting.com/index.html
http://www.virtualassistants.com/
http://www.teamdoubleclick.com/freelance.html
http://www.webetools.com/virtualdynamos/users/main.php


I know everyone has different opinons on these types of services, some say its how they got started, others say stay away from them, and of course we all know a VA needs to network and market her own business, what's your opinion?
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Hi Deb, interesting question...
I can only speak from my experience and what I've 'heard' from other VA's...but here goes
My own instinct has always been that any situation like this that requires a fee is something to steer clear of. That's just me. When I first got started I found one client for minimal pay and random hours (some weeks I worked a lot, others not at all). I clicked with her right away and things moved along nicely from there with viable referrals starting to come in about six months later; she's still with me two years later and still the majority (75%!) of my new clients come through her recommending me. That's cut out much of my need for marketing, and all of my need for marketing outside of my existing clientele.
With all that in mind, I can't pretend that mine was a textbook case for launching a VA practice.
I will say though, that working without a 'middleman' has been distinctly to my advantage (ie - I don't pay anyone for my access to work or for referrals, and I literally am the solopreneur in my business - there's a huge difference between contracting your own clients, negotiating your own rates, etc. and relying on someone else to establish those relationships and details on your behalf.)

Now, not having had direct experience with these sites you've listed I can't honestly say that they are good or bad or otherwise - but the simple fact that their profit comes from either charging a fee for access to job possibilities or 'marking up your services' (or both) says a few things to me:
1) the clients are out there (it's just a matter of finding them/marketing to them/getting them to see that they need *your* service above and beyond anyone else's, and
2) they're willing to pay top dollar for experienced, efficient, [insert unlimited keywords for all the qualities of a professional VA] virtual assistance.

As long as those two things are true I just don't see that a service or agency is a necessity because there's no way that every potential client out there is going through these agencies.

If you really want to develop and expand your VA practice the best thing to do (in my opinion) is find that first client and work like crazy to impress them, show them you've got what it takes. Entrepreneurs and small business owners market themselves like crazy just like virtual assistants do - and as a result they have tons of contacts and business associates and they all share information and bounce ideas and questions off eachother. If you can settle yourself in with that first client and show what an asset you are your client is going to end up doing your marketing *for* you. It just takes some time (and hard work )

I haven't even heard of two of the sites you listed, another I know in name only. But I have read many comments by VA's who work through teamdoubleclick and they all seem to quite like the situation - so that says something in that agency's favor for sure. For me, personally, it just wasn't something I wanted to do. I'd rather drive the car myself, if you know what I mean

If you're considering one of these directions I'd suggest asking for references from currently contracted service providers at each agency you're curious about before you go through their process, do a little research - the same as the agency is going to interview you...interview *them* and find out exactly how it works, how much of a markup they place on your services (and how much of that you get) and at which agency the VA's are truly happy to be involved and are receiving ongoing benefit from participating. If they can't readily offer you that basic information then I'd be wary. Treat it the same way you would a potential client and evaluate things like communication style, amount of up front information provided, willingness to discuss with you in general - and find out how they handle taxes and the like, because the one thing about working as a virtual assistant is: you're an independent contractor; any situation that doesn't fall into that category makes you an employee - and you'd have to decide if that's a balance you're willing to cater to (if it's the case that you would no longer be truly independent).

Just curious, is there one or the other in particular that you're considering?
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Hey Deb,
The only one I've heard of is teamdoubleclick. When I was in my first years I actually went through the whole process with them, and there is a lot of work that goes with it. Here's what I found. Their is a huge communications breakdown. It was very difficult to ever get with anyone live. For that matter, I found, it was easier to go out and market myself that to actually get through their process. Hint: I would have gotten through the process if I had ever gotten someone live. They list so many emails that it is hard to know who is who and what is what. All to say, teamdoubleclick was frustrating to say the least.
Getting that first client is always I think the hardest. But it is rewarding to say the least. I totally agree with Tess about the referrals. Once you get the first one, others are sure to follow behind.
I've always been wary of paying fees because of this. Most of the information listed on the sites, I found I could have our already knew of most of the opportunities listed. From my own research. So paying a fee, was foolhardy for me. I wanted the leads I couldn't find. The clients, I couldn't get.
References are a key. I also think it is important to be able to get your money back if you pay and immediately see that it isn't what you thought or wanted. Money back guarantee is crucial!
I hope you find what you are looking for. The goal I know, are those clients. They will come, don't give up!!
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Thank you Tess and Jackie,

I haven't decided to go with any of the sites I listed. I just wanted some honest opinions from others who may have researched or tried them. I've been doing alot of research on the VA business in readiness for opening mine and those types of sites always seem to come up in discussions or are listed as recommendations. And because of that I always go back to them wondering if I should give them a shot, but since I haven't done so yet and keep questioning them I probably won't go down that road.

Other forums have also discussed the subject, but I wanted to specifically ask here because everyone that contributes always gives such complete and thought provoking answers. I find myself learning alot from all of you.

As soon as I get my website or blog complete I plan to start marketing myself. I've also been working on putting together a letter to send out to local businesses introducing myself and the business, looked into business cards today from Vista Print which offers free cards, and have started working with publisher to create a brochure. It was also suggested from another VA that answering local help wanted ads might be a way to go, and will put together I letter to do that. And of course I need to reread the posts I've seen on getting your website noticed by the 3 major search engines(google, yahoo and msn)

So much work to do and such little time but I will get there. I'm still working fulltime and would like by the first of the year to be able to cut down to parttime hours there and dedicate more to my own business.

Ok I've talked enough for tonight, time for bed, I hope everyone has a good night or day and thanks again for all the great help and ideas!
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Hi Deb,
All of the ideas you've mentioned are a great system for getting started.
In terms of getting noticed by the search engines, etc. did you know that by just having your new website link in your signature here on the forums your site will be indexed 100 times faster than otherwise?
The best thing you can do for your site is optimize it internally (check our SEO section for tips on that, and feel free to ask any questions, we have our own resident expert, hamidof ) - it will automatically get picked up by the search engine spiders, but especially if you are linked up from a site like this.

I think if you spend at least an hour a day marketing your services, and your site your goal is well within reach, it's just a matter of investing that initial bit of time.

It's great that you're researching so much, you'll be all the more prepared when you launch your practice
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I had a set of 250 "free" VistaPrint cards (s/h $5.00, no advertising on back $10) for a total of $15.00 for 250 cards (.06/ea)

THEN -

I designed my own business cards and, after much diligent searching, found the perfect card stock (looks like gray marble! - $30/ream of 250 sheets OUCH! - you can find 80# cardstock for about 1/2 this price, usually). I had OfficeMax set up the file of 10-up cards ($8), had them give me a copy on my flash drive ($1), then had them print the cards (.08/sheet) and cut the cards out ($7).

Had I used standard card stock the cost for 500 cards would have been as follows:

50 sheets of cardstock at .06/ea $3.00
1-time file setup/copy $9.00
Print cards $4.00
Cut charge $7.00
Total cost initial set $23.00 for 500 cards (.05/ea)

Future sets would cost card stock, print, and cut for a total of $14.00/500 cards (.03/ea) AND I was able to use my own background design. Another advantage being that I can have them run whatever quantity I want and the only cost difference is in the amount of paper they need and the quantity of copies so if I ran 1000 cards I would pay $21.00 (.02/ea).

Of course, my cards, due to the expensive stock, cost a little more, but, still, it's worth having my own design rather than a "stock" design.

Just my .02 worth!
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Old 09-25-2007
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I'm curious to know if any of our recently joined members have gone through agencies or if so far we've all gone the self-start route?
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No - I haven't gone thru the agencies route and I don't plan to.
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Hi Deb,

I did join http://www.virtualassistants.com/. It was only $14.95, I figured I would give them a try to see what I could stumble upon. I've had a few inquiries (mostly realtors) who contacted me about my services.

Team Double Click seemed like a nice option weeks ago, but I have yet to hear from them. A friend of mine went through their process as well, she hasn't heard anything either.

The key thing is definitely market yourself. The answer could be in your very own neighborhood. One of my managers maintains her Church's database, but I'm finding she doesn't have much time to do some of the things she used to do for them. There is another perfect lead for me right there that I plan to take advantage of.

There are also those professional references from past jobs and current references as well. This is how I had the opportunity to work for the one client I do have. It does take time, but with much effort anything can be accomplished!

I love this path I have chosen, I have set a goal for myself to have my business totally booming by this time next year. If I can accomplish this within 6 months, that would be great too!!
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Old 09-27-2007
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Hi Deb,


The key thing is definitely market yourself. The answer could be in your very own neighborhood.

There are also those professional references from past jobs and current references as well.
Hi Veronica,

Its best to begin marketing yourself aggressively sooner than later as you can't avoid it. I get a little overwhelmed trying to attract the whole world , so I've concentrated my efforts firstly in my county, state and New England as a whole.
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