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Old 10-18-2009
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Default Re: How to Start a Virtual Bankruptcy Assistant Service - by Victoria Ring
Bankruptcy is a niche I have considered for quite some time now. I am definitely interested in learning more about it and this book seems like the perfect starting point. Has anyone who purchased this book began working as a V.A. in this niche yet and did this book help you to understand what you are getting into and help you to know how to get clients?
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Hi bizybe06,

You can join the VBA group and network with other VBA's right here on the VAF. Click here to join the group.

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Default Re: How to Start a Virtual Bankruptcy Assistant Service - by Victoria Ring
Victoria Ring has written many instructional guides for different topics. I have NOT yet read this one, and I intend to do so, but I have read another one by her... and I hope that her experience in the VBA field is much more reliable than in the Notary Public Loan Signing field. I am also a Notary Public/Loan Signing Agent and I've known about the author for quite a few years now.

She wrote a training manual called, "How to Start, Operate and Market a Freelance Notary Signing Agent Business." The book contained information that was freely available in many places. When it came to actually being a Notary Signing Agent... she had, at most, a few months of experience. In that field, that's nowhere near enough. The book itself was a bit self-serving and full of religious references that really turned people off. Also, some people felt as if she misrepresented her experience. In the book, she claims to have started her NSA business in 2001...yet published the book in 2004. Finally, some of the advice she DID give was downright wrong or misleading.

She also ran a website (which she heavily promotes in her book) for notaries, which was basically a notary directory. She got a LOT of people upset with her when her "lifetime membership" that she sold for $15, "expired" and she started charging hundreds after a "system upgrade". It wasn't too long after that, she essentially disappeared from the notary field and stopped selling the book. She sold her website in 2007 and that was the last the notary industry saw of her. Most people were happy she left because they felt she was doing a disservice to the community. This is all information that is freely found online from individuals who dealt with her.

BTW... Regarding the religious references, I know that she still does that on some level. I don't mind that a person is religious. I am myself. But, when you're writing training materials for things like Notary Services, Loans and legal matters like bankruptcy -- why even bring it up? It may be inspirational to the author... but will likely annoy some readers, whether they have the same religious point of view or not. I just don't see why Biblical verses belong in a training manual for professional services. Unless, of course, said services are actually of a religious nature or specifically geared to an audience who you KNOW would appreciate it.

That said, I suspect that she has other people preparing most of her material now, and she's more of a marketer than anything else. If you read her bio on her website, that's pretty obvious. She's a great marketer. But marketing is only part of the battle.

Also, her LinkedIn profile said she studied for her Associates paralegal degree from 2001 to 2006. Yet her website bio said she got the degree in 2001.

I only mention this because I think it's important for all of us to be aware of not only how we spend out money but where the advice is coming from. I trust that Andrea's opinion of the book is genuine... and that's why I'm going to read this book, too, because the VBA field is very interesting to me. But, since I am familiar with the author from other circles it does give me pause about the quality of the advice in the book and associating myself with the work. In other words, is the information here something that I can find for free elsewhere? What to experts in the field say about about the material? Does the author write from true experience or from a self-serving point of view?
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Hi Marian,

I do appreciate your own opinion of the Author. I did not do the notary public book but I believe there are other threads on VAF that have notary public information.

IMHO all authors write as self-serving, this is based on the sales of their books and why they are writing to begin with. For instance, you can have a great topic to write about and then put pen to paper and sell your product, the information inside is what is selling the books, not necessarily the author or their background.

As with any subject, yes, you can find it else where and you can learn it else where. Just go to your local library and check out Bankruptcy petition preparation books. Or, visit your local court house and ask them for the paper work and jump right into training yourself on their paper work.

Honestly it is all about information gathering and if you want to gather it yourself or you want to buy it from others, who have done it for you.

The how to's are available at any court website as well as the governing body that sets the laws for bankruptcies.

Thank you again for your opinion of the author. I do hope you find what you are looking for in the VBA industry.
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Thanks, Andrea. I'm actually somewhat neutral regarding the author, honestly. It's just that I'm aware of some of her previous work and am curious how it compares to this one. If it weren't for the fact that VAs I like recommend the book, yes... I'd have avoided it because of the author's reputation. But, because it apparently seems recommended, I'm willing to give it a chance.

I don't really need any notary information... I'm good there.

I do agree that most authors are self-serving. However, I also think that there's a point where it's just over marketing and self-promotion. The authors who fall in to that trap are the ones who are more marketing driven rather than content driven. Good content should sell itself.

I'll admit it -- one of my biggest pet peeves is reading a published book where the author has to mention their website or accomplishments more than once, at most twice. There's no harm in collecting information that is freely available elsewhere... what matters is presentation.
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Thanks for the in-depth review Andrea! I decided I didn't need the huge package she was selling to get started, just this book and a few other things.
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